However, a week ago or so the Duluth News Tribune published an article about a special arson-detecting dog from the Cloquet Area Fire District that "assists authorities across the Midwest". Though that dog didn't come to them until 2013, I sent a couple of emails to the Fire Chief of the Cloquet Area Fire District, to ask about the reported arson fire of July 6, 2012.
Below is my second email, and Mr. Shroeder's reply.
From: Lloyd Wagner [mailto:lewagner2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 2:30 AM
To: kschroeder@cloquetafd.com
Subject: followup query on Cloquet arson fire
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 2:30 AM
To: kschroeder@cloquetafd.com
Subject: followup query on Cloquet arson fire
Dear Mr. Schroeder:
I
sent you an email a few days ago about an "arson fire" that was
reported in the media to have been set by Sandra Couture on July 6, 2012
at the house of a Cloquet resident, and responded to by Carlton County
sheriff's deputies.
Sandra Couture was accused of having set this fire to intimidate some unnamed witness in the Trina Langenbrunner murder case.
I
pointed out that unlike any other fire, this fire did not appear
anywhere in the media until AFTER it was reported "solved" by St. Louis
County investigators, and that this fire doesn't show up in any Carlton
County fire statistics, anywhere.
I
thought that since you are the Cloquet District Fire Chief, you would
be the person to ask for an explanation of this anomaly, or who would be
able to suggest someone else I might ask instead.
I'd
like your comment to post on the blog I've been writing relating my
testimony in the Trina Langenbrunner murder, which I linked to in my
previous email. Here again are the links which relate most directly to
that reported fire:
I realize you're probably busy, and I'll wait for another day or two to proceed.
Thank you again for your time and interest in this matter.
Sincerely,
Lloyd Wagner
Kevin Schroeder
To
'Lloyd Wagner'
May 15
Mr. Wagner,
I
have looked into our records, and based on the limited information that
you have provided, I can find no record regarding the fire you refer to
on July 6, 2012 in the CAFD system. Please keep in mind that there is a
large area that has a “Cloquet” mailing address that is not served by
our department. We routinely get inquiries for incidents that occurred
at a Cloquet mailing address that lie outside of our response area and
are served by other fire departments in both Carlton and St. Louis
Counties. Your email lists a response by Carlton County Sheriff’s
deputies, but an investigation by St. Louis County investigators. This
would lead me to believe the fire was North of the CAFD protection area
in St. Louis County, and would have been handled by any of a number of
volunteer fire departments in that area. Based on what you have
provided me, it appears the best contact would be the investigating
officers in St. Louis County. They would have the information on whose
jurisdiction the fire occurred in.
I am sorry I could not provide more detailed information on any incident on July 6, 2012.
Kevin
2801 Dewey Avenue, Cloquet, Mn 55720
218-499-4274 | Fax 218-499-4289
www.Cloquetareafiredistrict.com
After receiving this prompt response, I asked Mr. Shroeder further: Who in Carlton County would have been responsible for reporting the total fire statistics to the Minnesota Department of Public Safety? ... but almost immediately after having asked that question I decided instead to follow the advice that Mr. Shroeder had already given me, and to contact the St. Louis County Sheriff's Department.
Those of you who have been reading this blog may laugh, because obviously, I've come full-circle, here -- the FIRST contact was to the St. Louis County Sheriff's Department, way back in 2001, and I've gone several 10's of thousands of miles since then!
However, this time, I've sent the same email to two Sheriffs' Departments, both St. Louis County, and to Carlton County. I hope that between the two, I can at least get this "arson fire" nailed down solid. The email which I will send just before I post this, is below, with the subject, "Cloquet arson fire of July 6, 2012", which for some reason I can't seem to paste as part of the email.
Dear Sheriff Litman and Sheriff Lake:
I thought it would be easier to send the same email to both of you.
I
have some questions about the arson fire reported in the media as
having occurred in Cloquet on July 6, 2012, (the one that was confessed
to by Sandra and Joseph Couture in St. Louis County Court, as a
tampering with unnamed witnesses in the Trina Langenbrunner murder
case.)
I noticed a few things about this reported fire that raised questions in my mind, and I ask for your response:
1.
It was the first fire I can ever remember that was not reported
anywhere in the media the very next morning after it happened, but was
only reported a couple of weeks later -- AFTER it had been solved by St.
Louis County investigators (based on their having broken a code used in
the jail between Sandra and Joseph Couture).
2.
It was reported that the fire was responded to by "Carlton County
deputies", but when I looked up fire statistics for incendiary fires in
Carlton County for 2012, the total damage reported for seven incidents
was $8,600. This despite the fact that the one fire in question had
reportedly destroyed a house, plus two vehicles, plus two dogs (who left
no skeletons, but were "missing and presumed dead" in the fire).
3.
I recently wrote to Mr. Kevin Shroeder, Fire Chief of the Cloquet Area Fire
District, who told me that according to his records, no fire took place
in that district on that date, nor on July 19, when Molotov cocktails
were also reported to have been thrown at the same address, (and also
responded to by Carlton County deputies). Mr. Shroeder pointed out that
there are some addresses in St. Louis County that do have Cloquet
addresses, and also some Cloquet addresses in Carlton County that are
out of the Cloquet Area Fire District.
A. If the fire was indeed in Carlton County, but out of the Cloquet Area
Fire District, then it seems it should have shown up in the Carlton
County report as an incendiary fire in 2012.
B. If the fire actually took place in St. Louis County, then it seems
it should have been responded to by some St. Louis County fire
department, instead of by "Carlton County deputies", as reported.
5.
Why would the address of the fire be kept secret from the public? In
fear that the Coutures might find out? That of course makes no sense,
because if they really did burn a house, they must have known where it
was. (!)
6. Which entity initially investigated and made the official determination that the July 6, 2012 fire was an arson fire?
7.
Was this fire reported to the Minnesota Department of Public Safety as a
St. Louis County fire statistic for July 6, 2012, or as a Carlton
County fire statistic? How about the Molotov cocktails that were thrown
on July 19, 2012? Why can't I find either of these fires in any
Northland news reports anywhere, until in August 2012?
Sheriff
Litman may recall that I have repeatedly offered testimony regarding a
certain person who met every criteria the Sheriff's Department said they
were looking for in the case, since 2001. My testimony has been
ignored, and I have even been called a liar in this case, without any
DNA data ever being presented to attempt to PROVE me a liar. St. Louis
County investigators refused to DNA test the person I pointed at, or to
investigate other forensic [information] I pointed at. Instead, they let the guy
know that I was talking about him, which caused him to threaten MY life.
Then he was given a very short sentence in NERCC (just across the road
from where I used to live) for his umpteenth DWI, and released right
back into the rural wooded neighborhood, despite my complaints he had
threatened my life.
I've
repeatedly attempted to get my testimony into the official record and
in front of a jury, and have not been able to do so. For that reason, I
started a blog several months ago, to relate that testimony and to
present the text of all letters and other communications I have
regarding the case.
This
email will appear as part of the next post in that blog, and any reply
(or lack of reply) I receive to it will be subsequently reported, as
well.
Here are the blog links that relate most directly to that reported fire of July 6, 2012.
I thank both of you for your time,
Sincerely,
Lloyd Wagner
I will be sending the above email shortly, then polish this post up a little, before I publish it.
Thanks for reading, and please stay tuned.
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