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| Thomas J. Hinze |
"Jaida" evidently would rather email me, and did so. Below is the record of the email conversation that took place between "Jaida" and myself between September 3 and September 26, 2015.
jaida coutureSeptember 2, 2015 at 12:09 PMYou don't think he did it ?ReplyDelete
I was scared for my OWN life.
How are you related to Joseph? I've never met him, but knew Hinze all TOO well. And Litman, too, for that matter.
I tried to get in contact with Joseph but Corrections wouldn't even give me his address. (That's in the blog, too.)
I also wrote a letter and mailed two separate copies of it to Sandra at Shakopee to ask why she and Joseph would confess to a fire that never even happened, but Shakopee must have confiscated those too, or at least she never answered. Here's the link to that post:
http://formerlyfarmerly.blogspot.com/2015/03/letter-to-sandra-couture.html
I have been waiting since September 26 for "Jaida's aunt" to have enough of a respite in her "arthritis issues" to manage to tell "Jaida" the address of the "arson fire", so "Jaida" can tell me that address, so I can inform the Minnesota State Fire Inspectors and the two Sheriff's of that address ... and I'm STILL waiting.
I have however, just now emailed the same Fire Inspectors and Sheriffs with the link to this post, to help them in their "active investigation" as to where the "arson fire" actually occurred (texts to those emails are below the emails back and forth with "Jaida"). Perhaps the Fire Inspectors or the Sheriffs can get the actual address of the "fire" from "Jaida's aunt" in person. I'll let my readers know if I hear anything!
(Damned funny the Inspectors or Sheriffs OR Jaida wouldn't know right offhand, huh? Actually, it's damned funny that the address of the "fire" wouldn't have been reported in the paper the very next morning after it supposedly happened. I've never heard of a secret fire, before.)
But anyway ......
I considered hiding "Jaida's" email address on this post, but decided against it -- as I don't believe that I was really corresponding with "Jaida Couture" at all, but with with someone else falsely using her name and a false email address to attempt to cover up the cover-up of the murder with some unbelievable nonsense, as below:
jaida couture <pookey_2236@hotmail.com>
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lewagner2002@yahoo.com
Sep 3 at 2:20 AMJoe was my step dad. Him and my mom were together for many years.. She was in a relationship with him when he murdered Trina. He told her that if she told anybody, he would kill her to. He was a very violent man. He had many knives and at one point my mom had to hide them under my clothes in my bottom dresser drawer. My real dad died when I was four years old.. Joe was somebody I really loved and considered my dad. Him and my mom got into drugs. Meth. Bad drugs. He drank a lot. He came home and beat the crap out of my mom all the time. I witnessed a lot of violence. He was in prison for almost 5 years for molesting my sister. His girlfriend Sandra had called my grandma (who is now passed away) and told her that my mom needed to tell everyone she was lying or there would be consequences. Not long after that the cabin that my grandpa lived in was burnt to the ground. My grandpa isn't rich at all, barley has anything to his name. That's what he had. He now lives with my aunt. He didn't have insurance on his cabin. They got nothing from that. I didn't know the other man who you knew.. But I just knew my step dad pretty well and even though it is something really crappy to have to know someone did something so horrible.. Someone you loved... I wouldn't put this past him at all. Thank you for getting back with me.
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 3 at 2:32 PMThank you, I understand now. I guess that cabin certainly could have burned without the newspapers or TV channels hearing about it the next morning, and without the Fire District or Minnesota DPS EVER hearing about it or filing any reports. (They COULDN'T file any reports because then Joe and Sandra would have known where that cabin was and who the witness was, and then Joe and Sandra might do something to that witness if they knew where that cabin that they burned was.) Sure. And that's why the judge had to seal the name of the witness too. So Joe and Sandra wouldn't find out.Then after your grandfather moved out, Sandra still wasn't satisfied with just burning the cabin, two vehicles and 2 dogs, either, she went back with Molotov cocktails the second time, I suppose to burn some trees, or something? and REALLY scare your mom, this time.And the dogs were "missing and presumed dead" in the fire. Sure, that happens to animals all the time, they don't leave skeletons or remains in a fire, they sit there wagging their tails patiently waiting for a hole to burn in the house just big enough for them to get out of, then they go running off and never come back. They just go missing, and then the Fire Inspectors have to presume them dead. Sure. Even if the Fire Inspectors can't even tell which county the fire occurred in.And your mom knew all along that Joseph did that brutal bloody murder, but was too a-scared of him (or was it that you all still loved him so much?) to tell anyone or claim the reward while he was locked up in prison those almost 5 years for molesting your sister. It made more sense and was safer for her to wait until he got OUT to spill the beans. Sure.And that was just total coincidence that TWO guys (1) both had size 11 or 12 New Balance shoes and (2) both had Chrysler or Plymouth mini-vans and (3) both burned clothes during the same week of the murder. And it was just good solid old-fashioned police detective work that caused Litman's department to refuse to DNA Tom Hinze, though they DNA'd a bunch of other people who didn't even HAVE anybody REPEATEDLY saying they saw them with size 11 or 12 New Balance shoes the week of the murder. Sure. That could easily be.According to the newspaper, it was the witness, which would be your MOM, then, who bought the size 11 or 12 New Balance shoes. It would be interesting to know who in the family has size 11 or 12 feet. I tried to get the Public Defender's office to ask that question, but never got any satisfaction. Maybe you could tell me?ALL that Litman would have had to do to prove Hinze innocent would have been to DNA-test him -- but he refused to do that. Why would he refuse? I suspect he refused because he was kind of hoping to kill two birds with one Hinze. I know I was afraid to go outside to my garden alone, after they let Hinze out into the heavily wooded and secluded Twig neighborhood where I lived, after just 5 months for his umpteenth DWI. But I went public.Sorry, but all of this is a little too much for me to believe, especially when you ask me not to believe my own eyes and ears.By the way, I did find the name Jaida Couture on Google, mentioned in a Reservation newspaper, and in the Cloquet area in 2008 and 2009 -- but I have absolutely no proof that you are actually Jaida Couture.Still, I may add your comments into my blog, with my comments in red, and I may forward them on elsewhere, as well. If you have any further information and especially any confirmation that this is all true and that you are really Jaida Couture, I'd be glad to read it and report on it.Thanks for your response.Lloyd Wagner
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 21 at 12:20 PMHi again Jaida,As I indicated, the letter you wrote doesn't seem to jibe with reality, and so I have a little difficulty in believing that you are really Jaida Couture.I've attempted to verify your identity with another person who also says he's a shirt-tail relative of Joseph Couture (through a relative of his being married to a step-daughter of Joseph's), but so far he hasn't answered me either.If you do have any independent verification that your grandfather's cabin plus 2 vehicles were indeed burned and two dogs went "missing and presumed dead" and then Molotov cocktails were also thrown, please supply me with that verification, and I'll be happy to report it.Otherwise, I'll continue by posting that I have received correspondence, but NO verification of its authenticity.There is the additional matter of Joseph and Sandra being ordered to pay many thousands of dollars of restitution for a cabin that doesn't seem to have any address, and then the fact that it would seem your mother SHOULD have received a $100,000 reward for her information, as well.I'd appreciate any comments, especially if they're accompanied with verification.Thank you again,Lloyd Wagner
jaida couture <pookey_2236@hotmail.com>
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Lloyd Wagner
Sep 21 at 5:11 PMI asked my aunt if she could send me pictures of the cabin. She hasnt gotten back with me yet. I don't know about the cocktails. I just knew about the cabin and the dogs. Him and my uncle lived there. Now they live with my aunt.
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 21 at 5:24 PMThe cabin must have had an address. Then I can verify it with the Fire Inspectors. I wouldn't need pictures, they wouldn't really prove anything without an address, anyway.Also, how did they come up with the amount of compensation for the cabin? According to the court records, it was $34,635 for each Joseph and Sandra. Is your grandfather getting that monthly, or what?Also, the reward? Your mother must have known about that $100,000 reward. Why didn't she get that? They certainly wouldn't have arrested him without her testimony.Also, if she was so afraid of Joseph, why did she wait until after he got out of that 5 years of prison to tell on him, if she knew right from the first day? She was in no hurry for the $100,000, or she had feelings for Joseph, or what WAS the reason?Thanks for your answers.Lloyd Wagner
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 21 at 5:55 PMI forgot -- there's also the question of who did your mother buy the size 11 or 12 New Balance shoes for? I'd think somebody must have that size feet, or she wouldn't have bought that size shoes. If she remembered the shoes so clearly, she must also remember who she bought them for.Thanks,Lloyd Wagner
jaida couture <pookey_2236@hotmail.com>
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Lloyd Wagner
Sep 22 at 4:29 AMI will ask my aunt for the address, I don't know it I don't live by them anymore. My mom did have feelings for him, alot of feelings. She told my sister to tell people she was lying about being molested so that he wouldn't get in trouble. My mom and my step dad were on meth for a very long time. He was a very scary person and very violent but for some reason she must have had an addiction to him. He wasn't always a horrible person. But I know in abusive relationships sometimes people don't know how to get out or whatever. And she bought the shoes for my step dad. My cousin remembers cleaning blood out of a van when he was very young. Its a situation that I wish I didn't believe was true, I considered joe my dad. My real dad died when I was four years old. As for the reward money, my mom didn't get it. She thought she was going to get some but someone else got it I guess. I don't believe but grandpa gets any money from the cabin being burned, but he might I don't know I didn't ask that information. I just know that was his home for a long time and now he is living with my aunt and uncle.
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 22 at 11:21 AMThank you. Maybe you could try calling your aunt with a telephone, or contact her via email or Facebook? Or even mail?They still have like 1 or 2-day mail delivery there, don't they?Otherwise, within a couple more days here, I'll just report that nobody in the witness's family knows where that "arson fire" took place, either.AND that as far as you know, the nearly $70,000 restitution money being collected from Joseph and Sandra isn't being paid to anybody.AND the reward wasn't paid to anybody you know of either.And that besides the pair of size 11 or 12 New Balance shoes that I have REPEATEDLY reported seeing since way back in 2001, there was also ANOTHER pair the same size and brand that your mother bought for Joseph in 2000, and was listed by the Sheriff's Department as a clue in a bloody murder in September 2000.And that your mother knew about that bloody murder and the shoes and the mini-van full of blood, but didn't say a word about it to anybody for almost 12 years, then waited until Joseph got out of prison for molesting your sister to speak up.Is all that correct?By the way, does Joseph have size 11 or 12 feet?Thanks for all your info.Lloyd Wagnerjaida couture <pookey_2236@hotmail.com>
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Lloyd Wagner
Sep 22 at 5:24 PMShe did report it back when it happened right away. I guess somebody working didn't report it or didn't do something right I don't know. That's what I was told. I told you the things I know. I was a child when all this took place. I barley talk to my mother anymore because of everything that has taken place. She wasn't the only witness, there was another man who had reported about him as well. It seems like you are yelling in your messages and I don't really appreciate that. And i had texted my aunt. She has bad arthritis and a lot of issues going on right now. She doesn't always get to her phone right away. Like I said I don't think they are getting any money but maybe they are. I don't go around asking people what they are getting for money. So I'm sorry I can't provide you with all the information you need. I'm not an investigator. I just knew my step dad.
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 25 at 9:37 AMThanks much, I'll relay your information.
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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jaida couture
Sep 26 at 12:23 AMBy the way, "Jaida", you're an American in your 20's, and you communicate through hotmail and Google blogger and text message?LOL.
jaida couture <pookey_2236@hotmail.com>That was the end of my correspondence with "Jaida", and evidently her aunt still hadn't been able to answer her telephone.
To
Lloyd Wagner
Sep 26 at 3:01 AMNot sure what is funny?
Below is the email I just now sent to Kevin Radke and Richard Sellman of the State Fire Marshal Division of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety, and below that is the email I just now sent to Sheriff Litman (St. Louis County) and Sheriff Lake (Carlton County):
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>
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Radke Scott (DPS) Sellman Richard (DPS)
Today at 11:21 AMDear Mr. Radke and Mr. Sellman,The last correspondence I've had with you was on July 7, when Mr. Radke informed me,This is an active investigation and we are unable to provide any information at this time.Scott J. RadkeState Fire Marshal Div.Since then, I have received some correspondence with a "Jaida Couture" who told me that her aunt DOES know where that fire took place, as it was her grandfather's cabin that burned in that fire. That correspondence between "Jaida" and I took place between September 2 and September 26, 2015, and I report it in the last (November 27) post in my blog on the Langenbrunner murder cover up, formerlyfarmerly.blogspot.comHowever, "Jaida" has yet to tell me the address of the fire, as she says her aunt has "arthritis issues", and I guess cannot answer her phone, even over a period of weeks or months.Anyway, here is "Jaida's" email address, and I hope that you can contact her aunt and get some information straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak) on the location of the "arson fire" that took place either in Carlton or St. Louis County on July 6, 2012.pookey_2236@hotmail.comSincerely,Lloyd Wagner
Lloyd Wagner <lewagner2002@yahoo.com>And that's the end of this post. Thanks for staying tuned.
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County_Sheriff@stlouiscountymn.gov sheriff@co.carlton.mn.us
Today at 11:24 AMDear Sheriff Litman and Sheriff Lake:I wrote you both several months ago requesting info on the July 6, 2012 Cloquet "arson fire" related to the Trina Langenbrunner murder case that I am a witness in, but I have received no reply.I've also written to the Fire Marshal's Division of the DPS, and received only this answer from Mr. Kevin Radke:"This is an active investigation and we are unable to provide any information at this time."Anyway, since then, I have received some correspondence with a "Jaida Couture" who told me that her aunt DOES know where that fire took place, as it was her grandfather's cabin that burned in that fire. That correspondence between "Jaida" and I took place between September 2 and September 26, 2015, and I report it in the last (November 27) post in my blog on the Langenbrunner murder cover up, formerlyfarmerly.blogspot.comHowever, "Jaida" has yet to tell me the address of the fire, as she says her aunt has "arthritis issues", and I guess cannot answer her phone, even over a period of weeks or months.Anyway, here is "Jaida's" email address, and I hope that you can contact her aunt and get some information straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak) on the location of the "arson fire" that took place either in Carlton or St. Louis County on July 6, 2012.pookey_2236@hotmail.comSincerely,Lloyd Wagner
